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Post by Brian on Dec 9, 2009 23:13:48 GMT -5
all the new technology in scent control and camo design almost eliminates fair chase. hunting skill almost doesn't even count when you are practically invisible to deer. maybe all that stuff counts a little more in really heavily pressured areas, but a good hunter with good skills wearing muted colors and playing the wind has just as good of a chance.
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Post by Whitetail Driven on Dec 10, 2009 12:56:48 GMT -5
all the new technology in scent control and camo design almost eliminates fair chase. hunting skill almost doesn't even count when you are practically invisible to deer. maybe all that stuff counts a little more in really heavily pressured areas, but a good hunter with good skills wearing muted colors and playing the wind has just as good of a chance. This is a pointless arguement, were both stuborn with our answers and nothing seems to change either one of out minds, i hunt my way and you hunt yours |
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Post by Brian on Dec 10, 2009 14:39:39 GMT -5
i wont argue anymore, but its just seems like you think that people have no chance to kill a nice buck if they dont use cover scent or great camo. I agree that they give you an advantage, but I just think people can still be successful without them.
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Post by hunterguy28 on Dec 10, 2009 16:11:08 GMT -5
yea well i didn't get on here for a couple of days so i guess i missed the big part of the argument, but no, i wont put up any more arguments either. Your right RUTnSTRUT, we hunt our way and you hunt yours.
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Post by Greenedog on Dec 11, 2009 10:46:11 GMT -5
I want to congratulate you young guys for having a civilized argument.  I've been on forums before where a couple old farts like me start arguing and it gets ugly quick.  My 2 cents: My Dad has killed more and bigger bucks than I probably ever will and, to my knowledge, he's never owned a piece of camo. When Monty and me were growing up, Dad always wore RED coveralls with an orange hat and his "scent killer" was Brut 33! I do believe that scent elimination can help the modern hunter, but I think the camo is mostly just fashion for the hunter. If they ever positively identify what a deer can or can't see, the camo pattern will probably be so ugly that no one will buy it! |
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Post by whiteman on Dec 11, 2009 21:34:40 GMT -5
I want to congratulate you young guys for having a civilized argument. I've been on forums before where a couple old farts like me start arguing and it gets ugly quick. My 2 cents: My Dad has killed more and bigger bucks than I probably ever will and, to my knowledge, he's never owned a piece of camo. When Monty and me were growing up, Dad always wore RED coveralls with an orange hat and his "scent killer" was Brut 33! I do believe that scent elimination can help the modern hunter, but I think the camo is mostly just fashion for the hunter. If they ever positively identify what a deer can or can't see, the camo pattern will probably be so ugly that no one will buy it! Righ On..You old Fart!!! |
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Post by posiedon on Oct 26, 2010 11:00:16 GMT -5
what i don't get is that you can kill a deer wearing blaze orange, but its a huge deal about camo. i understand that with turkey but with deer i'm confused I know this is reving an old thread but thought I would put my .02 cents in. Your correct, camo is not as important for deer as a lot make it out to be. It does help though by breaking up your outline. So instead of a human shaped solid object that will stick out in the woods to a deer, the camo has multiple shades and textures breaking up the outline. As far as the orange goes, deer cannot see reds, in the day time they see everything in the blue shades, at night they only see black and white or grayscale. Camo also helps in not drawing the attention of everything else in the woods that can see colors. Most fully camoed bowhunters never complain about squirrels barking at them all day. Now come gun season everybody complains about it. That orange hat or vest they can see and they let everything know about it. Fortunately squirrels bark at deer and other critters as well so the deer ignore it. But if you have a deer coming in and a flock of turkeys spots you and alarm putts, its a very good chance that deer is going to bolt. For years I bowhunted and gun hunted in nothing but carhartt bibs and jacket. I killed but I seen far less than now when I am fully camoed and use practice good scent control. As far as camo patterns go, most are designed for the hunter and not for true concealment. I also wear realtree, but think its more pretty than effective and when I can afford a good concealment camo I will get some, but all walmart sells right now is realtree or mossy oak. |
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Post by bigamehunter08 on Dec 13, 2010 21:46:18 GMT -5
wow looks great, u should get the mossberg 935 with pistol grip, It has the exact camo pattern.
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Post by strippitman on Dec 16, 2010 9:17:31 GMT -5
I want to congratulate you young guys for having a civilized argument. I've been on forums before where a couple old farts like me start arguing and it gets ugly quick. My 2 cents: My Dad has killed more and bigger bucks than I probably ever will and, to my knowledge, he's never owned a piece of camo. When Monty and me were growing up, Dad always wore RED coveralls with an orange hat and his "scent killer" was Brut 33! I do believe that scent elimination can help the modern hunter, but I think the camo is mostly just fashion for the hunter. If they ever positively identify what a deer can or can't see, the camo pattern will probably be so ugly that no one will buy it! Right on Troy! My 2 cents worth: First of all, I do wear camo although not on every hunt. Secondly, I hunt a property that adjoins to a property this "old" fella has hunted for at least fifty years. This guy has a wall of racks even Roger Raglin would be proud of  . He has about 10 deer in the 150" and over class with 2 of those being about 180". ONe of those 180"ers was killed while sitting on the ground, with a bow, in full orange! This to me is all the proof in the world that camo does very little for the hunter other than make him "look" like a hunter. He has never owned, nor will he ever own, a piece of camo clothing. His camo is a pair of black jeans and a red flannel shirt when it is warmer out. Then, when it gets colder out, he switches to a blaze orange one-piece coverall. I don't care if it's archery season, if it's cold he is wearing his "pumpkin" suit, as we call it. He believes that "Realtree tricks the hunter not the deer." Just watch an old Dan Fitzgerald or Roger Raglin video and see their "amazing" camo at work ! Anyhow, this old hunter's advice is to do everything (and then some) to eliminate your scent. His success is based solely on complete scent elimination (although he still gets busted on a rare occasion) and sitting totally still. Like he says, you can fool a deer's ears, you can fool his eyes, but rarely can you fool his nose! I hope this helps the discussion. |
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I've been on forums before where a couple old farts like me start arguing and it gets ugly quick. 
. He has about 10 deer in the 150" and over class with 2 of those being about 180". ONe of those 180"ers was killed while sitting on the ground, with a bow, in full orange! This to me is all the proof in the world that camo does very little for the hunter other than make him "look" like a hunter. He has never owned, nor will he ever own, a piece of camo clothing. His camo is a pair of black jeans and a red flannel shirt when it is warmer out. Then, when it gets colder out, he switches to a blaze orange one-piece coverall. I don't care if it's archery season, if it's cold he is wearing his "pumpkin" suit, as we call it. He believes that "Realtree tricks the hunter not the deer." Just watch an old Dan Fitzgerald or Roger Raglin video and see their "amazing" camo at work 
Just another night at work for me and Monty will be back here again bright and early. 
