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Post by Monty on Aug 2, 2011 20:45:58 GMT -5
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Post by anthonydykes on Aug 2, 2011 21:41:31 GMT -5
I.M.O. 9mm = They just don't have the knock down power that I would want for a defense gun. Now, are they fun and SEMI affordable, HECK YES! With that said, If your lookin for a home/self defense gun, I.M.O. you cant go wrong with a 38 spl. or a 45 acp. I keep one of each throughout the house within short reaching distance. Those ruger Mark III's are SWEET! I have a 22/45 and its a BLAST to shoot. The first few times you break it down to clean it can be a bit of a hassle, but there are plenty of videos on youtube if you get confused. another 22 to look @ is the Walther P22. Its pretty much a duplicate of the P99 only 3/4 the size. You can get it in the 3.4 inch barrel, or get it with the conversion with the 5 inch barrel and stabalizer. I am a BIG supporter of this gun. I am SO comfortable with this weapon, ITS the ONE that sleeps under my side of the bed. As far as Gander Mountain goes, I think most everyone on here knows how I feel about buying guns from them....Before you buy from them, go check out Danny Favre's (812-235-0198) and see if you can get a better deal. He's pretty good priced, and keeps a good assortment of toys. There's also a new shop in Brazil right off 40, its called the Outpost (812-236-1673) he also has a few nice things. IF you do decide you want to buy a nine, shoot me a message. I have a buddy at work wanting to sell his Taurus, I'll get you his info if your interested. GOOD LUCK, and SAFE SHOOTIN!
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Post by Chase on Aug 2, 2011 23:26:36 GMT -5
If you want to see a good review on a gun I would check this guy out on youtube. He's got one on the Judge and a bunch of 9mm's, but I don't see a video of the taurus you mentioned. www.youtube.com/user/hickok45
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Post by spainy79 on Aug 3, 2011 1:50:05 GMT -5
The one handgun that has gotten my attention lately is of all things a GLOCK! Stupid Glocks. I've been looking at the model G20 in 10mm. The only problem I have with this is having to buy another round that I don't currently own and I'm not willing to get rid of my 9mm or 45acp.
The whole Taurus Judge dealy...a buddy owns one (that I've never shot) and he bought it primarily for home defense. He did his research and found out that the 410 shotshells will not penetrate walls and this was a major deciding factor for him due to his kids. Now the 410 slug or 45 LC, yeah, they most likely will.
Going on what Anthony said you can't go wrong with a Walther P22. The wife or Sam wouldn't have a problem plinking this and the cheapness to shoot factor is there as well. Oh, Gander is a good place to look at guns, not so much for buying. Every once in a while you might see something worth buying but chances are you can find it cheaper elsewhere. If you ever head up toward Indy check out Plainfield Shooting Supply located on US40 or Bradis Guns in Camby. These 2 shops have become my favorites to check out when I'm up that way.
Did you ever get your carry permit?
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Post by fmj on Aug 3, 2011 11:13:39 GMT -5
My advice is... Avoid Taurus and Gander Mtn like the plague!!!!!!Buy American!!! We have some damn fine firearms manufactures in this country that are in financial trouble. (as are most companies) They NEED our help, show some love for your country and support it with your $$!! Springfield armory makes VERY fine weapons! Avoid the XD's as they are made n Croatia. Smith and Wesson makes some very fine shooting irons as well! As does Ruger. To this point i am pleasantly suprised with my newest "toy" a Kel-Tec PF9. A newer american firearms manufacturer. PF-9Me first time out on the range with the PF-9Wife first time up with new PF-9You cannot go wrong with a SA 1911. You simply cannot argue with the 1911's 100 years of proven experience on the battlefield. SA 1911 -slow fire drill- 2 magazines - results1911 Rapid fire drill...Also hard to beat a wheel gun .38/.357 or .44 spec./mag. Plus you can hunt with these, so it makes for a dual purpose firearm. If i had it to do over again i would have gotten the .44 instead of the .357. Kids/wifey can easily handle .38/44spec and the .357/44 mag brings a serious thump downrange. But remember when switching from a Spec. to a mag. round the POI is completely different so its difficult to switch back and forth from kids/wife back to yourself. .357Guns are like bows or anything else. Test drive as many as you can and buy what feels best for you. Remember, opinions are like @$$holes, everyone has one and they all stink! The problem i have found is there simply isnt one be all, end all, do it all gun out there. You need to buy one for a specific job and then get another to do another job. Anthony, you give a thumbs down for 9mm but talk up a .38!?!? They are similar in diameter and the 9mm generaly fly 1 -200 FPS faster therefore brings more terminal energy to the target. All things considered, when comparing the two rounds, they are very similar. "Stopping power" is a myth...or unquantifiable!
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Post by Monty on Aug 3, 2011 11:47:45 GMT -5
Did you ever get your carry permit? Did the online application and got electronically fingerprinted yesterday. Just need to go to sheriff's dept. and pay the local fee and wait. Looks like the total will be about $136 ($10.95 to do electronic "inkless" fingerprinting that speeds up the process) for a Lifetime License. Pretty reasonable, I think.
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Post by B-rad on Aug 3, 2011 13:32:30 GMT -5
although i do agree with fmj, a judge is a great gun for home defense, accurate enough for bustin pidgeons, and ou wont shoot through, and some of those pdx rounds are sweet too! and glocks are amazing pistols too = we have a mod. 22 .40, I.M.O i would suggest a judge, if you do get one get the full hammer and not the half cuz the the half is a pain to pull back...my 14 year old female priss of a couzin shot mine b4 and could hndle it ok, as far as a .22 for home defense i would like way more stopping powr=as to not get tshot yourself
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Post by anthonydykes on Aug 3, 2011 16:27:55 GMT -5
Anthony, you give a thumbs down for 9mm but talk up a .38!?!? They are similar in diameter and the 9mm generaly fly 1 -200 FPS faster therefore brings more terminal energy to the target. All things considered, when comparing the two rounds, they are very similar. "Stopping power" is a myth...or unquantifiable! Correct me if I'm wrong, slash my tires and besmirch my name,but a properly loaded .38 Special should be SUPERIOR to any Nine. IN Speer number 11, I see a 38 160 gr soft point bullet at 1028 fps. I see a 124 gr 9 mill at 1224 fps. And that is the fastest NIne heavy weight I saw in 5 or 6 reloading manuals. Now, I'm not even going to do the math here- even when their energy is about the same the 38 makes it with a far heavier slug. And the Hornady shows a Nine with a 147 gr bullet at only 1000fps, well behind the plus P 38. Now, I could flip around and find pet loads for each cartridge, but I think in general the 38 Plus P edges out the Nine. The nine offers larger mag capacity. I think the 38 a more significant hit. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. As for stopping power being a "MYTH," you are WRONG. A weapon and bullets stopping power play a key role in the deciding factor for nearly 100% of all weapon buyers. If stopping power was just made up, then we would all still be running around with sling shots and blow guns. If it was a "MYTH" our soldiers and officers would be getting issued pea shooters instead of the proper tools for the job. It is hypothetically possible for the impact of a bullet to cause a pressure pulse of such magnitude through the body of the target, that it is instantly killed (notice I deliberately avoided the word "shock"). This happens, for example, when you shoot a chipmunk with a .30-`06, even if the chipmunk wears body armor. I'm confused...Is that still UNQUANTIFIABLE???
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Post by Catfishsam on Aug 3, 2011 19:19:01 GMT -5
I really like the Ruger Mark 111 .22 but i would also like a .22 revolver. I told my dad I would pay $200 for one but he doesn't seem like he wants to pay!
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Post by pitbulld45 on Aug 4, 2011 5:20:12 GMT -5
A .22 can kill someone but really isnt practicle for self defense. 9mm are an ok round but I prefer a 40 cal made by Glock. I have owned several and never had a malfunction. My wife has a 38 and I carry it some times as well. I think a 38 is a fine revolver. They make a cci 9 shot for the 38 which is a varmint or snake load ( pretty much what you would want a Judge for). Or put a hollow point in the 38 for self defense.
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Post by pitbulld45 on Aug 4, 2011 5:25:45 GMT -5
I have a Walthrip p22, a Glock 40 and a Taurus 38 and a Glock 45 that you are welcome to try before buying anything. Im sure someone on here has a 9mm and what ever else you may want to try.
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Post by jonboy on Aug 4, 2011 11:37:39 GMT -5
Hey cuz. I'm no handgun expert, or expert on anything that I'm aware of, but I do own a few. I have a Beretta 92 FS Inox in .40 cal for home defense that I like a lot. I also have a S&W model 10, .38 revolver that I picked up cheap. I have a Ruger Super Black Hawk .44 mag with a 71/2" barrel that I thought I was going to deer hunt with (not for sissy's.) And for fun I have a H&R model 999 nine shot .22 revolver. This gun breaks open like a single shot shotgun to load. It is a cool little plinker that I got for around $100. It is my rabbit hunting gun when I'm not very hungry. Your welcome to come look at/shoot anything I have if you want.
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Post by fmj on Aug 4, 2011 11:46:06 GMT -5
Anthony, you give a thumbs down for 9mm but talk up a .38!?!? They are similar in diameter and the 9mm generaly fly 1 -200 FPS faster therefore brings more terminal energy to the target. All things considered, when comparing the two rounds, they are very similar. "Stopping power" is a myth...or unquantifiable! Correct me if I'm wrong, slash my tires and besmirch my name,but a properly loaded .38 Special should be SUPERIOR to any Nine. IN Speer number 11, I see a 38 160 gr soft point bullet at 1028 fps. I see a 124 gr 9 mill at 1224 fps. And that is the fastest NIne heavy weight I saw in 5 or 6 reloading manuals. Now, I'm not even going to do the math here- even when their energy is about the same the 38 makes it with a far heavier slug. And the Hornady shows a Nine with a 147 gr bullet at only 1000fps, well behind the plus P 38. Now, I could flip around and find pet loads for each cartridge, but I think in general the 38 Plus P edges out the Nine. The nine offers larger mag capacity. I think the 38 a more significant hit. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. As for stopping power being a "MYTH," you are WRONG. A weapon and bullets stopping power play a key role in the deciding factor for nearly 100% of all weapon buyers. If stopping power was just made up, then we would all still be running around with sling shots and blow guns. If it was a "MYTH" our soldiers and officers would be getting issued pea shooters instead of the proper tools for the job. It is hypothetically possible for the impact of a bullet to cause a pressure pulse of such magnitude through the body of the target, that it is instantly killed (notice I deliberately avoided the word "shock"). This happens, for example, when you shoot a chipmunk with a .30-`06, even if the chipmunk wears body armor. I'm confused...Is that still UNQUANTIFIABLE??? first and formost, i dont slash tires or besmirch names...any that know me or have followed my posts on other boards know that i can and do argue a subject in a gentlemanly way. I'm not going to debate a subject any different on an internet board than i will in person. NOW, i dunno about YOUR load data, but mine (Lyman 48th) puts your .38 cal, 160 gr bullet @ max load ( i actually have 2 -160 gr data blocks) 1 @ 863 FPS and the other @ 727fps. I then look and see a 9mm 147 gr TMJ max loaded @1012fps and a different type of 147gr being pushed to 1061 fps. Of course all load data is open to interpretation as many factors go into account such as barrel length, rate of twist, and many many other factors. All this being typed, we can toss around load data all day but its not really pertinent, as when i see a person asking for advice, i assume they are in general ignorant to the type of firearm in question. (no offense intended Monty, I have taught kids, women and full grown men that had little to no experience handling firearms) Assuming a person is in general ignorant of firearms, its then safe to assume they arent going to be hand loading...so our load data becomes a moot point. In general, most factory loads are going to be between 115 and 130 gr for both .38 and 9mm. So my original point once again becomes valid...they are basically a very similar round. Its counter intuitive to besmirch the 9mm and brag the .38. They were both released around the same time period and have been doing their job for over 100 years. Both are a popular round. If either was that bad, it would have faded into obscurity long ago. I own both (even tho i dont shoot .38, i use .357 mag, BIG difference) i think both have their place and are both fine rounds for their intended purpose. Now to "knock down power"... EVERY person and EVERY situation is different, therefore it becomes an unquantifiable myth. Now, i am not going to argue that bigger isnt better, that big holes arent better. (tis WHY i generally carry a .45 cal 1911) But if big bullets were the only factor in self/home defense we would be guiding him to a 12 guage slug. But a 12 guage is IMHO impractical for a couple of reasons; 1) swinging a 26" barrel in tight quarters is not practical and 2) if you've ever touched off a 12 guage in an enclosed, say, 14' x 14' room....you aint gonna be in any big hurry to do it again...the concussion is BRUTAL! A well placed .22 lr will cause more damage and kill quicker then 14 poorly placed 45 acp. The man asked for advice about what handgun to choose for home/personal defense....the BEST advice is to shoot anything and everything and purchase what HE is most comfortable with. Be that .38 or 9mm, or .40, .45acp, or .50 Monty, i see your from Riley, IN...thats a long haul for myself being here in the fort...if we were closer, i would snatch you up and take you to the range and let you fire any and all my handguns and different loads...but alas this is a moot point
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Post by Monty on Aug 4, 2011 22:04:15 GMT -5
Thanks for all the advice, guys! This handgun newbie appreciates it. Ran up to Plainfield Shooting Supplies this afternoon and really liked the guys there. Don't think Sam was gonna let me leave without buying something, so we ended up with a slightly used Taurus (sorry FMJ) model 94 .22lr. Gotta say, it was a lot of fun when we got home. Probably be going back to see them again soon to pick up a semi in 9mm or .40..... Just wasn't quite ready yet.
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Post by spainy79 on Aug 5, 2011 1:03:31 GMT -5
Congrats Monty! Your money went to a good shop too.
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